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passchendaele: no unwounded soldiers

four dead in ohio

Posted on 2010.04.05 at 11:36
How I feel about it all: sadsad
Soundtrack: Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young - Ohio
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I'm posting this because I agree with George Santayana: 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it'.



Forty years later I wonder if we're really any safer. As tragic as they are, scenes like this should never, ever be gone from our memory.

Interesting to note that in Ohio the massacre is known simply as 'May 4th'.

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peacey at 2010-05-04 16:10 (UTC) ()
Interesting to note that in Ohio the massacre is known simply as 'May 4th'.

If it's known at all. My college-age stepkids who live (and in the case of my stepdaughter, go to college) in Ohio don't have a clue what this is.
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primroseburrows at 2010-05-04 18:32 (UTC) ()
I heard an interview with one of the survivors, and that's where I got the info about the name. My guess is it's a generational thing.

It's really sad that something so historically important might not be discussed with the next generations. Hopefully it's still taught in college history classes (from what I've read about high school, the curricula tend to avoid discussion of Vietnam in general). The same goes for the horrible way the vets were treated when they came home--history like that has to be taught, or it'll happen again.
peacey at 2010-05-04 19:09 (UTC) ()
Here's something to munch on re: Kent State. Interesting.
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primroseburrows at 2010-05-04 20:22 (UTC) ()
I have serious doubts about the Washington Times--not because it's a conservative newspaper, but because it a. was founded by the Moonies and b. has been accused of too many false statements and inaccuracies for me to really trust their claims.

Nobody seems to know why the students were fired on. A crowd of students throwing rocks and yelling is not a valid, legal reason to open fire on them. They already had tear gas, which was legal.

And if there had been a sniper, over two dozen government troops opening fire on the entire crowd is overkill at the very least. US troops are really, really well-trained--there certainly must have been a more focused way to go after a potential sniper.

Also, even though nobody knows exactly who burnt down the ROTC building it likely wasn't done by by the students; apparently the job was way too professional for that.

No matter what happened, it was a tragic, awful event that should never be repeated, and I really believe that the way to prevent tragedies from happening again is to learn from them, and definitely to never forget about them.

This is the program I listened to. It's an interesting talk, with former students and employees and people who lived in the surrounding area calling in with their memories.
peacey at 2010-05-04 21:24 (UTC) ()
The article was written by James Rosen, a respected author and journalist. He has reported from 49 states and more than three dozen foreign countries across five continents. His articles and essays have been published The New York Times, The Washington Post, and USA Today, and in mags like Harper's, Playboy, the National Review, and the American Bar Association Journal. I think he's pretty reliable. Anyway, to my knowledge, he does freelance writing, and is not a staff writer for the Washington Times.

A crowd of students throwing rocks and yelling is not a valid, legal reason to open fire on them.

Being fired upon first is. If the Guard was. We will likely never know with any degree of certainty.

US troops are really, really well-trained--there certainly must have been a more focused way to go after a potential sniper.

Agreed. Usually with a sniper situation, you don't initially know where the shots are coming from, thus you find cover if you can and assess. That is, if there is cover, and if there is time. Like I said, the truth will most likely always be veiled.

...it was a tragic, awful event that should never be repeated, and I really believe that the way to prevent tragedies from happening again is to learn from them...

Agreed, especially when it comes to the proper use of military troops, and the proper execution of war when winning is the goal. Now I'm going to go watch David Tennant be brilliant in Hamlet. The postman delivered the wonderfulness today!
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primroseburrows at 2010-05-04 22:07 (UTC) ()
Anyway, to my knowledge, he does freelance writing, and is not a staff writer for the Washington Times.

Hmm, okay, that's better than some random WT guy. Because seriously, that paper creeps me out.

And yeah, the truth will always be veiled, unless some amazing evidence comes out forty years later. MY point was that it doesn't matter--the whole thing was a tragedy and a clusterfuck and should never happen again.

Agreed, especially when it comes to the proper use of military troops, and the proper execution of war when winning is the goal

This. Also the proper reasons for going to war in the first place.

Now I'm going to go watch David Tennant be brilliant in Hamlet. The postman delivered the wonderfulness today!

Must find when this is going to be rerun and DVR it. Not that I can record from my DVR as I have no burner, alas.
peacey at 2010-05-04 21:28 (UTC) ()
Forgot to mention...declassified files are declassified files. Even if you don't trust the Washington Times and/or Rosen, the files say what they say. Quoting the files directly involves no spin.
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primroseburrows at 2010-05-04 22:09 (UTC) ()
I have no opinion on Rosen, but if he's reputable, he's reputable.

Forgot to mention...declassified files are declassified files.

Dude. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE.
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