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by may 10th richmond had fell--it was a time I remember oh, so well

Posted on 2004.14.11 at 01:13
How I feel about it all: indescribableAmerican
Soundtrack: The Band - The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
Here's a letter to the author of this bit of vitriol:



To whom it may concern,

I'm sure you're getting a lot of emails right now. You and your friends are probably laughing at all the Johnny Rebs that are coming out of Crawdad Holler to rail at the vitriol you've slung at them.

I was born in Massachusetts, and have lived in New England all my life. But I've spent time in the South, and I have friends who live there, and I think that you, my friend, are talking out of your arse. You link to a lot of websites and spew a lot of hatred and bigotry (much like you accuse the South of doing), but you don't seem to have many facts straight.

The Founding Fathers, for instance. White men of property, all of them (And some of that 'property" were slaves). No poor, no blacks, no Indians, no women were allowed to vote, much less run for office. And since when is Virginia a Northern state? Thomas Jefferson might have argued with you on that point.

And if you think the Civil war was all about slavery, you haven't learned as much as I did about twenty minutes worth of research. In that short time, I quickly came up with these gems:

That the North channeled revenue from the South's trade with Europe through the House of Representatives to fund the Industrialisation of the Northern states. I read about the South's higher tariffs, and how trade to the Western states was being diverted to the North because of them. About how slavery didn't even come up as an issue until well into the war. Lincoln himself said at first that he had no intention of abolishiing slavery, and at the end, said he would compromise with the South regarding slavery, and indeed supported a Constititional Amendment in his 1861 Inaugural Address that would have legalized slavery forever. (http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres31.html)

Yes, the war was partly about slavery. However, it was equally (and perhaps even more) about the economy, stupid.

You say, "It’s not your money, assholes, it’s fucking our money." As far as I know, it still says "The United States of America" on the money, and on the Constitution. It's all us. U.S. The federal income tax paid by Southerners doesn't just channel back into the South, after all. It comes from the taxes of everyone in The United States of America.

You say, "Well this gravy train is fucking over. Take your liberal-bashing, federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou, hypocritical bullshit and shove it up your ass."

Tell that to Jimmy Carter. Tell it to Thomas Jefferson. Or James Madison, the father of the Constitution. Or George Mason, who wrote the Bill of Rights. Tell it to Woody Guthrie and Helen Keller. Tell it to Harry Truman. Tell it to Bill Clinton.

And that's not even mentioning Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, or Harriet Tubman, because I'm afraid that you'd just look at these people as victims of Southern Oppression and not the heroes they really were (and are, as Mrs. Parks is still with us).

Woody Guthrie, Southerner, wrote:

This land is your land, this land is my land
From California to the New York Island;
From the Redwood Forest to the Gulf Stream Waters
This land was made for you and me.


You and me, friend. All of us.

The War Between the States has been over for 139 years. You can stop fighting it, now.

[my name]
North Kingstown, Rhode Island
November 13, 2004


Honestly, this guy (I think it's a guy) calls himself a liberal. Jesus. He shames me.

Comments:


robinhoo at 2004-11-13 12:53 (UTC) ()
*cheering and mad applause*

Nicely done, Prim! Well-said! I'll be most interested to know if you get any response!

(He called Virginia a Northern state? What a moron. Do you s'pose he's unaware that Richmond was the first capital of the Confederacy? And, um, Robert E. Lee would've been terribly happy if Dude had been right about Virginia being a Northern state, as he most heartily didn't want to leave the Union, but he decided he would go wherever his state -- Virginia -- went, and thus became the general of the Confederate army!)
try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2004-11-13 17:05 (UTC) ()
He called Virginia a Northern state?

No, he said that all the Founding Fathers were from Blue (aka Northern) states. Thomas Jefferson and George Washington (the Father of our Freakin' country!)were both from Virginia.

Stupid git.
my life's so common it disappears
songdog at 2004-11-13 16:30 (UTC) ()
Have you posted this on ljdemocrats, or liberal? That article went swiftly by at least a week ago.

On November 3rd, I was in deep mourning. Tears were shed. Rational thought was pretty much impossible. I vowed to stay away from all things political for at least two years that day. (So I turned on folk radio. Silly me. More tears shed.) On November 4th, being able to recognize this mourning for what it was, I gave it two weeks or so to run its course. I gave myself permission to grieve, and to wallow in some irrationality that is a result of that grief. But I also recognized that there is a lot of work to be done by progressives in the next two years, and beyond. So I've kept paying attention, even while wallowing.

So with a personally mandated 2 week period of unapologetic grief coming to a close, I'm hoping everyone else is coming back to life.

When I first read that article, *even though I knew it was full of terrible, untrue, unkind, self defeating, and dangerous thoughts*, I could also recognize the deep grief that the author was experiencing. Somewhere along the lines of wanting to kill a person who hurt or killed someone you love. Nothing rational about that. Unless this person is a screwed up bigoted jerk in everyday life, he or she may very well not feel that horrible, sad, vitriolic hate today. I'd like to think it was the way this person dealt with Black Wednesday.

But you really should post this on ljdem and liberal. Many people still need a kick in the ass to help them out of the wallowing trough.

And by the way, Very Well Said!



try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2004-11-13 17:11 (UTC) ()
Unless this person is a screwed up bigoted jerk in everyday life, he or she may very well not feel that horrible, sad, vitriolic hate today. I'd like to think it was the way this person dealt with Black Wednesday.

Maybe so, and I'd have understood if the person was ranting and raving to his/her friends who love him and would put up with it until he finally shut up. But. To go and put hateful words like this up on a website is just wrong. It's the same level of hatred thrown over at godhatesfags.com.

But you really should post this on ljdem and liberal. Many people still need a kick in the ass to help them out of the wallowing trough.

Good idea; I hadn't thought of doing that.


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