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I bet you think this song is about you, don't you, don't you, don't you

Posted on 2005.07.04 at 16:37
How I feel about it all: hypercleaning
Soundtrack: Carly Simon
Apparently Starbucks employees in Maryland are asking breastfeeding women to cover up or go in the restroom. And the women are fighting back!!

Here's emmagrant01's take on things: What she said.

I hate Starbucks so much.


Oh, and wtf? Why are my hands all dried out even when I've been using gloves to clean all day? Hmph.

Comments:


Latter-day Jezebel
nmalfoy at 2005-04-07 21:14 (UTC) ()
I sympathize with the women, to some extent but why is it okay for a woman to breastfeed in public without using a diaper or towel to cover up, yet it's not okay for Janet Jackson to show her breast? This country has a serious double standard.
try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2005-04-07 21:42 (UTC) ()
Probably because in one case, she's using it for the purpose it was intended, and in the other, she's on national TV displaying her breast as a sex object. If she were nursing her baby on national TV, it would be a totally different frame of thought (and one completely not in the realm of Super Bowl Entertainment).

Having said that, I think the FCC made a big fuss over nothing with Janet Jackson. Bottom line, though: Jackson (along with the Super Bowl people) was exploiting sex for ratings. A woman feeding her child in a coffeeshop certainly is not. That's the difference, at least for me.
winter is coming, so don't stab your sister
ceilidh at 2005-04-07 22:10 (UTC) ()
*agrees totally*
try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2005-04-07 22:29 (UTC) ()
One good thing about Janetgate is that we got Sir Paul as this year's halftime show. Sexiest sixty-three year old in the universe. *drools*

Wah. No Paul icon. I need to make one.
dejaspirit at 2005-04-07 22:10 (UTC) ()
I'm all for breastfeeding in public places. Definitely. But what's so bad about having to cover up? I mean, asking a woman to leave just because she's breastfeeding is one thing, but I'll be honest. I breastfed Elise - plan on doing the same to this one - and I'm not flashing my tit to strangers. They make plenty of garments that make breastfeeding possible without it. To me, it's just common courtesy.

the day you left was just my beginning
patchfire at 2005-04-07 22:15 (UTC) ()
Obviously you've never had a child who refuses to nurse if something is too close to his or her head.

Equally obviously, you've never faced the checkbook at the beginning of the month - when payday just came - with dread, because let me tell you? Good nursing clothes are certainly not cheap.

Not to mention - a breast was intended for feeding an infant. Not for titillating people. I'm nursing my child, not 'flashing my tit.'
dejaspirit at 2005-04-07 22:22 (UTC) ()
You know what, I didn't post what I did to be rude to primroseburrows. I was simply giving her another perpective.

And while a breast was intended for feeding a baby, you have to admit it ain't all it's intended for - thank goodness, because I dig my tits as sexual objects as well, thankssomuch.

And if you're too poor to afford a light sheet to cover up with, then you're probably too poor to be in Starbucks in the first place. Seriously. It's one thing to fight for having breastfeeding mothers be supported - I'm BFAR so I go through GREAT LENGTHS to breastfeed - but it's another thing to get upset about not having the right to be barebreasted whereever you want just because you're breastfeeding. As far as I know, Starbucks is a private company and caters to a customer base - likely most of whom don't really want to see a bare tit staring back at them at 6am before their latte even if there is a kid attached to it. I don't. It wouldn't bother me enough to say anything about it, but, yeah, I'll fess up, it doesn't exactly make me want to order that x-tra whip cream, if you know what I mean.
alfirin kirinki
alfirin_kirinki at 2005-04-07 22:39 (UTC) ()
You know what? I hate seeing women breastfeed. Hate it. I don't care if it's natural, I don't care if you can't see anything - it just makes me cringe.

It's just a squick I have. And yes - I am a prude, I'm a Virgo rising. Can't help it.

I know that having a young baby is difficult and that when they want a feed, they want a feed, but I couldn't sit and eat - or drink - with a woman nursing a baby sitting next to me any more than I can breathe sitting next to a smoker.

I'm with you, pretty much. It would just put me off and for a cafe that's not going to be good for business.

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try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2005-04-07 22:40 (UTC) ()
And if you're too poor to afford a light sheet to cover up with, then you're probably too poor to be in Starbucks in the first place.

Yeah, but it's not just about Starbucks. Women probably aren't allowed to breastfeed in Wal-Mart, or at the post office or grocery store or DMV, either, and there are plenty of poor women who go to all those places. Breastfeeding is feeding--providing nourishment--and when my babies were hungry, I fed them. Most women who breastfeed in public don't flash their breast anyway; even non-nursing clothing can be used discreetly. If someone takes her shirt off to breastfeed, yeah, sure, tell her to stop being stupid and put it back on. But for the average woman, you have to be looking pretty close to even see a nipple when she's nursing her baby. It's not like she has to expose her entire torso, or even an entire breast. Starbucks patrons can enjoy their lattes in peace (although, bleh, their coffee SUCKS).


This is a civil liberties issue, IMO. And a feminist one.
try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2005-04-07 22:41 (UTC) ()
I was hoping you'd show up with that icon.

I've been cleaning, mom. Although it doesn't look it.
waremtae
waremtae at 2005-04-08 01:28 (UTC) ()

Here we go

I have two daughters, a 9 year old and a 9 month old. I breast fed Amber (9 year old) for only 3 months. My decision to stop was made because of the remarks people would make when I was out in public. This time, with my second daughter, I plan to breastfeed for at least a year. It is the best thing you can do for your baby.
As for the people who have a problem with it... EVERYONE has a problem with something. Some people have a problem with PDA (public display of affection). Does that mean no one should kiss, hold hands, hug etc. etc. while in public? Me, I have a problem with women dressing themselves and their daughters like whores. I see it every day. Should these people be asked to leave a public place? Oh wait, I get it, no breast has been exposed. That's the whole problem right? Has anyone ever been to the beach? Watched women/girls parade up and down the sand wearing swimsuits smaller than a pair of my grandma's underwear? What about the guys? Bare chested with shorts that are so low you can almost see their short curlies? Someone PLEASE explain to me why that crap is OK but breastfeeding a child is not. Please don't say, in this case, it's not OK because it is a coffee shop. It's a public place no matter how you slice it and I have seen MUCH worse things go on in public places than a mother lovingly feeding her baby.
If something comes on TV that you don't agree with do you watch it anyway? No, you change the channel. Well, if you don't want to watch a woman breastfeed then I suggest you mind your own business and not watch her.
try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2005-04-08 01:58 (UTC) ()

Re: Here we go

My decision to stop was made because of the remarks people would make when I was out in public.

That's one of the saddest things I've ever heard about breastfeeding. I'm so sorry. :(

Good luck with your next one, and geez. Illegitimi non carborundum. It's their problem, not yours.

P.S. That's mr_t00by in my icon (age 6 or so). He mentioned he'd spoken to you via LJ. *G*

waremtae
waremtae at 2005-04-08 02:36 (UTC) ()

Re: Here we go

Yep. You know I'm gonna talk to anyone who wants to talk about King. LOL
I keep checkin to see if he's joined the community. Not yet... I may have to harass him a bit on that one. heh heh heh
stars, spoons and kittyns
starkittyn at 2005-04-08 06:37 (UTC) ()
Re the gloves thing. it may be that you sweated inside the gloves which is pretty much like soaking them in brine. I recommend that you put on liberal amounts of hand lotion or body oil on your hands before you put on gloves. Then you have skin softening going on.

try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2005-04-08 11:02 (UTC) ()
It also might be some weird reaction to latex. At work, our gloves are latex-free, but these are teh cheap ones from CVS and are Latex.
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