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Posted on 2006.06.03 at 11:58
How I feel about it all: annoyedannoyed
Soundtrack: Traffic outside
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I'm not sure whether to be amused or disgusted with this. I'll pick amused, because it's better for my blood pressure.


Oh, noes!


For those interested, here are the actual



We, the member congregations of the Unitarian Universalist Association, covenant to affirm and promote

* The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
* Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
* Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
* A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
* The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
* The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
* Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.


The living tradition which we share draws from many sources:

* Direct experience of that transcending mystery and wonder, affirmed in all cultures, which moves us to a renewal of the spirit and an openness to the forces which create and uphold life;
* Words and deeds of prophetic women and men which challenge us to confront powers and structures of evil with justice, compassion, and the transforming power of love;
* Wisdom from the world's religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life;
* Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves;
* Humanist teachings which counsel us to heed the guidance of reason and the results of science, and warn us against idolatries of the mind and spirit.
* Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature.



The article also mentione the United Religions Initiative and the Earth Charter without explaining what either of them are.

They DO link to the UUA's website, which is here.

Hmmp. On second thought, I'm not really amused. More like annoyed. :/

Oh, and my icon is the UU flaming chalice, which has a pretty cool history.


Thanks to chalice_circle for the link to the article.





(note: if you are a conservative Christian, I'm not flaming your religion or your right to it. I'm flaming this article's lack of treating mine in the same manner and telling me that I'm a cultist and a liar for following UU principles.)

Comments:


Mellita
loveneverfails at 2006-03-06 17:22 (UTC) ()
I disagree with UU on many things, but they're about as far from a cult as you can get. That article is just silly. And I disagree with a ton of stuff that the article is trying to say is "truth" too. I can only imagine what they have to say about us Catholics...
Marc
politicallydest at 2006-03-06 18:08 (UTC) ()
Don't feel left out, Catholicism is mentioned on there, too!
try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2006-03-06 18:19 (UTC) ()
Not to mention Buddhists, who are IMO one of the most peaceful, healthy religious groups in the world.
try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2006-03-06 18:14 (UTC) ()
Fundamentalist Protestants don't seem to like Catholics very much, either. Something about goddess worship. :/

Whatever happened to tolerance in this world, anyway? That's the main reason I AM a UU. "The worth and dignity of every human being". I like that.
Mellita
loveneverfails at 2006-03-06 20:41 (UTC) ()
What they're missing is that the references to the "Queen of Heaven" are talking about the cult worship by women of the goddess Inanna (spelling?) from ancient Mesopotamia. That has nothing to do with the Virgin Mary, who is exalted because of her obedient uniting herself to the will of God and making it her own. Not like my writing them would have any effect whatsoever, but just making the truth known.

I generally dislike trying to make tolerance into a virtue. We would absolutely believe that every human being regardless of accidents such as race, age, etc. has fundamental dignity by virtue of being human (and therefore a living image and likeness of God.) To treat people as less human because of anything is terribly anti-Catholic. Completely violates the personalist norm that is so important to modern Catholic theology. But that doesn't mean that every belief system is equally valid. There are too many radical differences for them to all be right. And there has to be somewhat an objective truth to which everyone has access or else there is no basis for law that is not fascist in nature. You don't have tolerance and truth co-existing. Love and truth can co-exist but truth is a profoundly intolerant thing or it is not truth.

I believe that there is a natural law written into human nature as an innate morality whereby there are certain things that you can't not know. You can't not know that killing an innocent person is wrong, for example. There is wide deception and rationalization and denial about who is human and who is innocent (entire controversy on abortion, for example) but everyone agrees with the basic premise. In the Fall we can't see the natural law as easily anymore which is why we have so many evils and also why we are in such terrible need of Revelation so that the natural law can be confirmed.

If you would be interested, I could send you a copy of a book that really really helped me with all of this stuff. I could actually send you a link to the entire text on the web. It's called "Orthodoxy" by G. K. Chesterton. It's hysterically funny, short, and extremely thought provoking. He's my favorite author. :-)
Mellita
loveneverfails at 2006-03-06 20:44 (UTC) ()
Just to clarify, I do believe that every religion contains truth, but that there is a variance of degree to that truth. They pretty much all can lead you to God but some paths are objectively more direct and objectively better at this stuff, in my opinion. I'd really like your opinion on Orthodoxy if you'd be interested in reading it.
try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2006-03-06 23:16 (UTC) ()
I'd love to read it. I'll look it up when I get home from work.
Mellita
loveneverfails at 2006-03-06 23:19 (UTC) ()
Here it is on the web if you're like me and too cheap to buy things you can read on your computer screen:

(hehe)

http://www.dur.ac.uk/martin.ward/gkc/books/orthodoxy/
try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2006-03-07 06:49 (UTC) ()
Okay, thanks!
try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2006-03-06 23:15 (UTC) ()
I believe that there is a natural law written into human nature as an innate morality whereby there are certain things that you can't not know. You can't not know that killing an innocent person is wrong, for example. There is wide deception and rationalization and denial about who is human and who is innocent (entire controversy on abortion, for example) but everyone agrees with the basic premise.

I agree with that 100%. I think there's an innate moral code. Whether it's given by a higher power is debatable according to differing beliefs (I believe it is), but yes.

It's odd that, as a non-Catholic (I was Christened Catholic but never was churched and had only the tiniest bit of Chatechism), I feel very much at home in a Catholic church. I will occasionally go into an empty church and sit and meditate and enjoy the silence and the candles and the quiet presence I feel there. Once was on New Year's eve, and it was a kind of quiet glory. :)

I
alexisyael at 2006-03-06 17:29 (UTC) ()
Personally, I'd just be amused by it. That person obviously has a TON of baggage. Spiritual egotism will get you no where, in the end... what's the point of rants like this, anyway?

(I'm not UU, but we have UU friends, and I like the UU church's beliefs a lot.)
try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2006-03-06 18:16 (UTC) ()
Oh, I am amused, but still. This isn't the first time I've heard people either a.)tell me I'm going to hell because I'm a UU, or b.)tell me my religion is meaningless because "we don't believe anything".

I wonder what they'd say if they knew I'm thinking about joining a CUUPS group.
alexisyael at 2006-03-06 18:38 (UTC) ()
Those people are just dumb... and while I guess it isn't polite to laugh at the mentally challenged, in some cases, I just can't help myself!

I don't know what they'd say. I guess it would be about the same thing, to them. Especially since they probably have no clue anyway, what the difference is!

(Still, I do understand your annoyance -- it annoys me a lot, as well. But I try to save my ranting for the UPS and other people who actually impede my life... otherwise, there's too much to rant about!!!)
dejaspirit at 2006-03-06 18:24 (UTC) ()
Our Grist linked us to this a while back. But honestly? I need no one's approval to be a UU. By virtue, being a UU means not to worry about some meaningless step by step formula for reaching OMG TEH AFTERLIFE...

So yeah....
try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2006-03-06 18:42 (UTC) ()
You're a UU? Whee, I didn't know that! *high fives*

dejaspirit at 2006-03-06 19:45 (UTC) ()
LOL. Yeah, I haven't come out of the UU closet? I must do that soon...
try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
primroseburrows at 2006-03-07 06:50 (UTC) ()
Hehee.
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