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Shona Holmes: Crusader for Justice or Fox "News" Prevaricator?

Posted on 2009.28.07 at 11:23

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primroseburrows at 2009-07-29 01:31 (UTC) ()
What you're saying is basically what every Canadian I've talked with/heard from is saying (which isn't exactly a cross-section, but still).

The thing is, Americans generally don't hear anything from Canada, and they don't KNOW anything about Canada (ask your average American who the PM of Canada is, and trust me, they won't know), so everything most Americans have heard about the Canadian healthcare system has come from other Americans, so consequently they don't know shite about what they're spouting off about. Grr.
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meresy at 2009-07-29 02:05 (UTC) ()
From what I can tell, the problems that the health care system here has are similar to the problems the U.S. has -- I mean, I have a hard time believing that private health care never has long waits in clinics or ERs, and never has geographical availability problems (the major problem in Canada is getting enough doctors/nurses/facilities anywhere but cities) and never biffs the triage of a serious case. Right?

But you have that and ALSO straight up access problems. Here, no one is uninsured, every facility takes the insurance and it costs me some percentage of my overall income tax that I don't even rightly know because it's not that much -- whether I use the walk-in clinic once or have to have major surgery. And no one has to screw around with 134567 million private insurers.

Anyway, none of those weird attack ads is going to tell you what the system up here does right... which is the successful and timely treatment of several thousand people a day, and 100% coverage. I feel for people who caught the short end of the stick, for sure, but there's wider compensations. *shrug*

Edited at 2009-07-29 02:07 (UTC)
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primroseburrows at 2009-07-29 03:19 (UTC) ()
What's really silly about the whole Shona Holmes thing is that the Obama proposal isn't even close to the kind of healthcare system Canadians have. It's not free, there are still seventy bazillion private hospitals (I work in one), the private insurers are still shamboling around waiting to deny us treatment and/or eat our brains, and the employment-based system, silly as it is, is still firmly in place (and honestly, having one's healthcare contingent upon where one works is really pretty random, not to mention idiotic).

Edited at 2009-07-29 03:21 (UTC)
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mcollinknight at 2009-07-29 04:10 (UTC) ()
The thing is, Americans generally don't hear anything from Canada, and they don't KNOW anything about Canada (ask your average American who the PM of Canada is, and trust me, they won't know), so everything most Americans have heard about the Canadian healthcare system has come from other Americans, so consequently they don't know shite about what they're spouting off about. Grr.



They're really not comparable, nor is it logistically possible for the US to consider adopting exactly the same system, not the least because we spend our biggest budget chunk on HC, and the US spends over 50% on the military. It has its problems, as do all systems, and to completely discredit or shove aside universal HC or Obama's plan or *~*~*SPARKLY SOCIALISM*~*~* because of one lady or 'omg wait times haven't you heard' is keeerazy.
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primroseburrows at 2009-07-29 13:52 (UTC) ()
not the least because we spend our biggest budget chunk on HC, and the US spends over 50% on the military.

*sigh* Maybe a double-check on our priorities should be done first?

and to completely discredit or shove aside universal HC or Obama's plan or *~*~*SPARKLY SOCIALISM*~*~* because of one lady or 'omg wait times haven't you heard' is keeerazy.

Yeah, because Americans have never had to wait for a specialist appointment or a test or surgery or anything like that.

Sparkly Socialism: Is that something from Twilight?

Also, HER MAJESTY FTW!
peacey at 2009-07-29 13:05 (UTC) ()
Stephen Harper. Nyah.
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primroseburrows at 2009-07-29 13:43 (UTC) ()
You, my dear, are not the Average American. In fact, I was going to add "I don't have a problem with people who come to a different conclusion after actually reading about the subject (yes, peacey, I'm talking to you), it's just the ignorant, knee-jerk reactions that boil my blood". But then I got lazy and/or distracted and didn't. :)

Edited at 2009-07-29 13:44 (UTC)
peacey at 2009-07-29 13:49 (UTC) ()
Tanks, darlin', though I give the "average American" a bit more credit than you, methinks. Also, knee-jerk people piss me off too.
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primroseburrows at 2009-07-29 13:55 (UTC) ()

knee-jerk people often wind up bashing themselves in the chin

I know I'm generalising too much, but I also know I'd end up spending the day researching seventeen jillion polls and things because I'd want to get the specifics exact, and then I'd probably pull out my hair and/or kill someone out of sheer frustration. ;)

Edited at 2009-07-29 13:57 (UTC)
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