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The missing letters are WTF?

Posted on 2009.27.08 at 20:50


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primroseburrows at 2009-08-28 17:49 (UTC) ()
1. Paranoia. Not a good sign.

2. See (1.).

3. The term "teabaggers" is more telling of those who use it than those to whom they deem to apply it.

I used it to mean "people who went to tea parties, the symbol of which was a teabag". No political statement implied. If there's a debate about what they called themselves, I've (thankfully) missed that one.

The motivation behind those rallies was not identical to that which fueled the Boston Tea Party, obviously, and most people realize that. They do; a little credit here please.

Maybe it makes me judgemental (Hannah says I'm one of the most judgemental people she knows, and maybe she's right), but I really believe that most Americans--regardless of political inclination-- don't know jack about history. Because the way it's taught in schools is boring and outdated at best and utterly wrong at worst, and so most of us simply take the pablum we're fed to get the class credit and don't choose to look any further.

They see their country turning away from its founding documents.

I absolutely agree with them on this point, I'm sure I see it from a different angle. Of course, the founding documents were written for white men of property, but still, yeah, the Constitution has been trampled on something fierce, from all directions.

Agree with them or not, the position is legitimate, and they should not be ridiculed or marginalized.

Absolutely, and I said that in my comment. Garofalo, et. al. are wrong to paint everyone with the same brush.

MY rant was specifically directed at the people who put a Hitler moustache on Obama--which is historically ridiculous--and then proceed to say he's a socialist. Because, wtf? This kind of stuff only reinforces my opinion that there's a whole lot of people out there who wouldn't know a historical fact if it hit them in the face. Yeah, these ones are extreme, but still. *throws primary-source history books at them*

4. This is true. It's the crazies that take away from the cause, whatever cause that may be.

5. Oh, she probably does believe that. Which means that what she said was satire. And maybe she is the Ann Coulter of the Left, I dunno. I really don't follow her career, or Olbermann's, so I don't know much about her attitude except that she's a left-of-leftie, and that she's first and foremost a comedienne, so I figure snark is her thing.

*Edited because closing quotes is a Good Thing*
*and again times a zillion because I suck at proofreading and apparently have OCD*

Edited at 2009-08-28 17:59 (UTC)
peacey at 2009-08-28 18:13 (UTC) ()
3. Those Who Attend Tea Party Rallies do not refer to themselves as "teabaggers." Those Who Oppose The Tea Party Rallies do, and it's not meant as a compliment, nor is it indicative of any political leaning, nor does its use make a political statement, though it does make a statement of a smug and derogatory sort. If you aren't familiar with the term, I'm too much a lady to explain here, but wikipedia would be happy to shed some light.

Re: history in school. I'd be interested to know what you're basing your opinion on considering that we can only accurately reference our own experience in history classes, and perhaps, to a lesser degree, those of our kids. When I've asked people about their favorite subjects in school (which I don't go yanking people off the street to do, but I've asked most of my family and friends), history comes up more often than not. Encouraging, that. Hopefully most will have done as I did and took it upon themselves to pursue the interest beyond the boundaries of the textbook.

5. Garafalo is a comedian who fancies herself a political commentator. I believe she had her own show toward that end on the left-wing radio network whose name escapes me at the moment.
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primroseburrows at 2009-08-28 23:43 (UTC) ()
3. Eep. I never associated the two terms at all. *facepalm* I was thinking "teabaggers" was like "backpackers" or "John Birchers"--just a name, was all. How silly of me to not associate sexual slang with politics. ;)

High school US History books are written by committees, no matter what the author name is on the title (There are history books with a famous historian's name on it even when the author only wrote some long-ago edition and has been DEAD for years.) There is very little primary- or secondary-source material. New editions reference the last edition, which references the edition before that, and so on, so even if new stuff comes up it's not always put into the book. The books are usually a bland list of names and dates and events that emphasize a generalized 'feel-good' attitude (so as not to alienate the kiddies). For instance, they'll contain lot about how influential Woodrow Wilson was in the formation of the League of Nations and almost nothing about the fact that he was quite the racist and tried to implement racist policies. The same goes for the (small) bits about Helen Keller--a lot about her childhood and how she became a spokesperson for the blind, but practically nada about the fact that she was a very ardent (and also very idealistic and naïve) Socialist. There tend to be whole chapters about the Pilgrims and the probably fictional First Thanksgiving but usually not more than a couple of pages about the Vietnam War. Not to mention that all the Great Things written about are generally ones done by white men;consequently the history of women and people of colour tend to be left out of it.

And the courses are often taught directly from the books--sure there are innovative teachers, but mostly, nobody wants rock the boat, not the teachers, and not the textbook approval committees.

My info comes from a heck of a lot of reading, but recently mostly from a wonderful book called Lies My Teacher Told Me. I highly recommend this book to everyone. It's not politically driven, and it's very, very well-researched The author researched a bunch of high school American history books published over many years and compared them to each other and to their primary sources. The introduction is here. I think I need to make a rant post about history, though, because I'm gonna run out of room here.

5. That would have been Air America, but I don't remember her show. Air America kind of got to me, because even though I agreed with the message, the method was too much like everything I hate about right-wing radio.

Edited at 2009-08-28 23:44 (UTC)
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